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November 10th, 2008 by Grant in: Economics, PoliticsTwo days ago, my good buddy MJ posted a comment on the post regarding how I voted. One of his questions was how the Republicans would have faired against Barack Obama if Romney were their man instead of McCain.
To be honest, I’m not sure it would have mattered. Taking a step outside my own viewpoint and looking at the overall campaign Barack Obama ran, I’m not sure the Republicans had a big name they could put up against the man from Illinois and stand a fair chance in the same economic environment that McCain had to operate in.
As I mentioned in a quick response to MJ, Barack Obama had the charm and charisma that is almost uncharacteristic of a politician, regardless of affiliation. He has a way of communicating that sucks you in, mesmerizes you, and you go away feeling part of his team. The problem is, he really doesn’t say much at all, you know you like what ever it was, you just don’t know why.
Try this: Watch a speech given by Barack Obama, and try and quantify how you feel after watching. Then, sit down and read the transcript of what he just said. If you remove the charisma and charm, his message takes on a whole new meaning. Or at least less of one.
In my opinion, if this election were held 10 months ago, Barack Obama doesn’t stand a chance. Given the nature of our political system, capitalizing on such a widespread event like a severe economic downturn that affects nearly everyone, the minority party will beat the incumbent 9 times of 10.
I take issue with MJ’s other statement, though:
I said it before and I will say it again, the economy is hurting and until programs are put together to keep people in homes and save banks, instead of programs just to save banks, the current course of events will continue until things bottom out.
I disagree. Putting a program in place to keep people in homes is like trying to fight a war without taking casualties. There are two types of people that are being forced out of their homes: the type that couldn’t afford the home in the first place, and the type that gambled on variable rate interest rates when interest rates were at an all time low to begin with.
You won’t solve any economic problems by keeping people in houses that couldn’t afford them in the first place. Even if you (and I mean YOU because the government would spend YOUR money to do it) pay off their mortgage all together, their income levels won’t support the local economics of their neighborhood as it would if they had their own money to make the monthly payments.
The other type, the type that gambled on moving interest rates, are arguably collateral damage. You could say that they were taken advantage of, and to a certain extent I agree, but it doesn’t justify bailing them out of a decision that was ultimately their own. No one should know and understand your finances and investments better than you. And if some one convinces you that a 4% variable rate mortgage is a good idea when rates really can’t go down much more, that’s on you pal.
There is another type of person that is being forced out of their homes right now, and those are the people that were living on the ragged edge of their means, even though they were making all their payments. One lay off and they’re done. You’ll have that during any economic down turn.
Bailing out the banks is another issue, as the economic effect of an illiquid banking system is more far reaching than the housing problem. You have retirment accounts and pensions, along with other traditional investments that are predicated on a financial system that makes loans. You have to keep liquidity in the banking system, or the banking system will fail at it’s sole purpose: lending.
That’s not to say I agree with how the government is going about stimulating the banks at all.
In the end, you’re going to see the course of events continue until things bottom out, regardless of whom you bail out. The more money you use to do the bailing though, the longer it will take to bottom out.
MJ goes on to say:
It’s scary to see different companies reporting their earnings, because with each report an annoucement of job cuts of 3%-5% occurs.
True. That happens in every recession. Always remember, the harder the markets rise, the harder they fall.
You see job cuts follow earnings because job cuts have an immediate effect. You tell an employee to stop working, and you stop paying them right then and there.
Capitalism will heal this problem fastest so long as the government doesn’t try to “help” it. There are those that say capitalism is what got us into the spot we’re in, but what they forget is that it was Bill Clinton that tried to “help” it by pushing Freddie and Fannie to make loans to those who couldn’t afford them. That’s not capitalism.
You can have capitalism, or you can have socialism. You can’t have both and expect things to work out and differently than they have.
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November 10th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Wow G, I struggle to write whole blog posts daily, it is interesting to see me inspire an entire one by someone else. I was (and am when I get time) going to write more about my thoughts on this in my blog.
First, I must say that I was definitely all about “the leave things alone, capitalism will prevail” strategy. Read some of my posts from a couple of months ago and I said that very thing. I guess my opinion changed after I was laid off and thought about the current economic situation.
That being said I don’t think I explained myself fully. When I said bail-out for homeowners, I really didn’t mean for the government to give handouts. What I needed to say is that I think the government or the banks for that matter, should try to lock in a mortgage rate that the particular struggling homeowner could afford. Not a freebie by any means but either keeping their mortgage at a reasonable rate (don’t ask how I would define that I don’t know) over a 30-year fixed or even extend it to a 40-year-fixed. I saw this as a government bailout because well, I think the government would be the only people who could do something like this. This methodology should still shake out the people who couldn’t afford these homes in the first place and those still somewhat overextended. Also whomever holds the loan (assuming the home owner doesn’t bail), should still come out way ahead over the life on that loan, either by the loan’s interest or housing market coming back around for a home sale.
My point was to do that or wait for the economy to completely drop, which will continue in my mind as long as the current cycle holds.
The cycle:
1. People can’t afford their home, bills, etc.
2. People stop spending on anything that isn’t necessary.
3. All those companies making the non-essentials suffer greatly, because now there aren’t any orders.
4. Those companies layoff people, close plants, and consolidate.
5. Now more people can’t afford their home.
6. Repeat 2-5 over and over.
All that is occurring, right now, and people who traditionally never made bad decisions are now being affected.
The thing is that the traditional way of getting out of your house was to sell the house. What do you do when no one is buying? Most people who bought these houses in the last 5 years, paid too much as well, so there is almost a guarantee of not ever getting there money back. It is a bad situation all around, and normal people not the “bad decision” people are being affected.
That less money going around is going to affect government budgets, healthcare’s economy, everything.
I guess my greatest point is that if a homeowner can afford their house and bills first then they have money leftover to pump the economy. I really think it is that simple.
Whatever you reply Grant, please remember that at least in one aspect you and I are the same. We both save and live below our means. I really feel that the American public needs to learn this lesson, and they should learn it forever. Whatever happens, I think this current situation is going to be burned in my mind for life. Hopefully others will get the point. I also feel as if I am being punished for being wise with my money, while others screwed up. How are those of us rewarded, with the responsibility of bailing out the nation. That pisses me off.
To me, I guess what I am proposing is the quickest way out and uses the least of my bailout money.
Good post either way, and if you want to see my great intellect head on over to dyslexicresearch.blogspot.com to see me jump into a pile of leaves.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Wow, I just saw my post up. I write way too much for quick comment.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Hey MJ, good thoughts, and thanks for following up. Hopefully this conversation will stimulate people to think in a larger economic sense.
I too feel that the American public needs to learn a lesson on how destructive the economic peaks and valleys can be. However, I think the more important lesson to be learned is what effect the government has in artificially stimulating those same peaks and valleys.
For me, I believe that the economic cycle is healthy. In a way, the economic down turn actually stimulates growth. As the old adage goes, the market can’t go up forever, and I think it’s healthy to reset things as a way to stimulate new growth.
The down side to that is that there are casualties; job losses, etc.
Anyway, good discussion, and hopefully others will weigh in too.
-Grant
November 11th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Cheers mate! Too bad we are not in politics, or is that thank god we are not in politics.